Hi, I'm Bill Ackman. I'm the CEO of Pershing Square Capital Management.
And I'm here today to talk to you about everything you need to know about finance and investing.
And I'm gonna get it done in an hour and you'll be ready to go.
So let's begin.
In order for you to get a better sense of finance and some of the basic terms associated with a business and investing in a business.
I'm gonna use the example of a lemonade stand.
We’re gonna go into business together.
We’re gonna open up lemonade soon.
So the reason why I'm using an example of a lemonade stand
It is a very simple way to understand the basics of the business
How to understand how our business works
How business generates profits
What’s involved in raising capital to start a company?
What you do when you're ready to decide to monetize your investment or take some money off the table?
You’ll be able to understand each of these concepts
through the very simple lens of a small startup business like a lemonade stand.
1:03 Starting a business
We’re gonna go into business together.
We’re gonna start a company.
And we're gonna start a lemonade stand.
And Now I don't have any money today.
So I'm gonna have to raise money from investors to launch the business.
So how am I gonna do that when I'm going to form a corporation
It’s a little filing that you make with the state and you've come up with a name for your business
We’ll call it Billy's lemonade stand
And we're gonna raise money from outside investors
We need a little money to get started
So we're going to start our business with a thousand shares of stock
We just made up that number
and we sell 500 shares more for $1 each to an investor
And the investor is gonna put up $500
We’re gonna put up the name and the idea
We’re gonna have a thousand shares
He’s gonna have 500 shares
He’s gonna own a third of the business for his $500
So what's our business worth at the start, it’s worth $1,500
We have $500 in the bank, plus $1,000 because I came up with the idea for the company
Now we need a little more than $500
So what am I gonna do?
I'm gonna borrow some money and borrow from a friend
and he's gonna lend me $250 and we're gonna pay him 10% interest a year for that loan
Now why do we borrow money instead of just selling more stock
Well, by borrowing money we keep more of the stock for ourselves
So if the business is successful we're gonna end up with a bigger percentage of the profits
2:19 The balance sheet: a snapshot of the company
So now we're gonna take a look at what the business looks like on a piece of paper
We’re gonna look at something called a balance sheet.
Balance sheet tells you where the company stands, what your assets are
What your liabilities are and what your net worth or shareholders’ equity is
You take your assets, in this case, we've raised five hundred dollars
in exchange for the five hundred dollars the person who put up the money only got 1/3 of the business
The other two-thirds is owned by us for starting the company
Well, that’s a thousand dollars of goodwill for the business
We’re borrowed two hundred fifty dollars
We’re gonna owe two hundred and fifty dollars, it's a liability
So we've got five hundred dollars in cash from selling stock
Two hundred and fifty dollars from raising debt and we owe $250 loan
And we have a corporation that has and you'll see on the chart shareholders’ equity of fifteen hundred dollars
So that's our starting point
Now let's keep moving
3:09 Fixed assets and inventory
What do we need to do to start our company?
We need lemonade stand
That’s going to cost us about $300.
That is called a fixed asset.
Unlike lemon or sugar or water, this is something like a building that you buy and you build it.
It wears out over time, but it’s a fixed asset.
And then you need some inventory.
What do you need to make lemonade?
You need sugar. You need water. You need lemons. You need cups.
You need little containers and perhaps some napkins and you need enough supplies
to let’s say have 50 gallons of lemonade in our start of our business.
Now 50 gallons gets us about 800 cups of lemonade
And we’re ready to begin.
Let’s take a new look at the balance sheet.
So now we’ve spent $500 on supplies.
We only have $250 left in the bank, but our fixed assets are now $300.
That is our lemonade stand.
Our inventory is $200.
Those are the supplies and things, the lemons that we need to make the lemonade.
Goodwill hasn’t changed at 1,000, so our total assets are $1,750
and we still owe $250 to the person who lent us the money.
Shareholder equity hasn’t changed, so we haven’t made any money.
All we’ve done is we’ve taken cash and we’ve turned it into other assets that we’re going to need to succeed in our lemon stand business.
4:21 Income statement: How well has the business performed over time?
So let’s make some assumptions about how our business is going to do over time.
We assume we gonna sell 800 cups of lemonade a year.
We’re going to assume that each cup we can sell for $1 and it’s going to cost us about $530 per year to staff our lemonade stand.
So now let’s take a look at the income statement.
So the income statement talks about the profitability, about the revenues that the business generated,
what the expenses are and what is left over for the owner of the company.
So we’ve got one lemonade stand.
We’re selling 800 cups of lemonade at our stand, charging $1,
so we’re generating about $800 a year in revenue and we’re spending $200 on inventory.
There is a line item here called COGS. That stands for cost of goods sold.
We have depreciation because our lemonade stand gets a bit beat up over time
and it wear out over five years, so it depreciates over 5 years.
We’ve got our labor expense for people to actually pour the lemonade and collect cash from customers.
And we have a profit.
We have EBIT and that is earnings before interest and taxes, of $10.
That is kind of our pretax profit for the business.
We didn’t make very much money because you take that pretax profit of $10 and you compare it to our revenues.
It’s about a 1.3% margin.
That is not a particularly high profit.
Now we’ve got to pay interest on our debts
and we have a loss of $15
then we don’t have any taxes,
but at the end of the day we still lose money.
5:49 Growing the business
Should we continue to invest in the business?
We’ve lost money in the first year. Is it time to give up?
Well, let’s think about it.
Let’s make some projections about what the company is going to look like over the next several years.
Let’s assume that we take all the cash the business generates and we’re going to use it to buy more lemonade stands so we can grow.
Let’s assume we’re not going to take any money out of the company and we’re not going to pay a dividend.
We’re going to keep all the money in the company and reinvest it.
As we build our brand we can charge a little more each year,
so we’re going to raise our prices about a nickel, five cents more for each cup of lemonade each year
and then we’re going to assume we can sell 5% more cups per stand per year.
So we’ve got built in growth assumptions.
6:38 Bring the business up to scale
Now let’s take a look at the company.
So if you take a look at this chart you’ll see in year one we started out with one lemonade stand.
We add one a year and then by year five we’re up to seven
because we’ve got a big expansion plan.
Our price per cup goes up a nickel a year and our revenue goes from $800 and starts to grow fairly quickly
and the growth comes from increased prices for cups of lemonade and it also comes from opening more stands.
So by year five we have almost $8,000 in revenue.
Our costs are relatively constant, which is the lemonade and the sugar.
That’s about $1,702.
We have depreciation as more and more stands start to wear out over time.
We’ve got labor expense,
but by year five the business is actually doing pretty well.
We went from a 1.3% margin to over a 28% margin.
The business is now up to scale.
We’re starting to cover some of our costs. We’re growing.
We’re still paying $25 a year in interest for our loan
and we have earnings before taxes, after interest of $2,300 by the end of year 5.
So we put $500 into the business. We borrowed 250
and by year five we’re making a profit of $2,300.
That sounds pretty good.
Now we have to pay taxes to the government.
That is about 35%
and we generate net income or another word for profits of $1,500 by the fifth year and about a dollar a share.
So if you think about this, our friend put up $500 to buy 500 shares of stock.
He paid a dollar
and after five years if our business goes as we expect
he is actually making a dollar a share in profit.
That sounds like a pretty good deal.
8:07 Cash flow
Now let’s look at the cash flow statement.
So as the business becomes more and more profitable we generate more and more cash and the cash builds up in the company.
We go from $500 of cash in the company to over $2,000 of cash over the period.
The balance sheet, again, the starting balance sheet had shareholder’s equity of $1,490,
but as the business becomes more profitable and the profits add to the cash.
They add to the assets of the company.
Our liabilities have not changed and the business continues to build value over time.
So again by the end of year five we’ve got $4,000 of shareholder equity and that’s almost three times what it was when we started.
8:52 Bill’s Lemonade Stand: Good or bad business
Now is this a good business or a bad business?
How do we think about whether it’s good or bad?
One thing to think about is what kind of earnings are we achieving compared to how much money went into the company.
9:09 Evaluating Value
Now this is a business that we valued at $1,500 when we started.
Someone put up $500 for a third of the company.
We gave it a $1,500 value.
By the end of year five it’s earning over $1,500 in earnings,
so that’s over a 100% return on the money that we put into the company.
That’s actually quite a high number.
We’ve spent $2,100 in capital building lemonade stands
and we earned $2,336 in year five on the capital we invested.
That’s over 100% return on capital.
That is a very attractive return.
Earnings have grown at a very rapid rate, 155% per annum.
This is really a growth company
and our profitability has gone from 1. 3% to 28. 6% by year five
and that sounds pretty attractive and it is.
So let’s look at the person who put up the loan.
Well that person put up $250 and the business has been profitable.
We’ve been able to pay them their interest of 10% a year, $25 a year
and they’re happy because they put up $250.
They’re getting a 10% return on their loan
and the business is worth well more than $250.
We’ve got more than that in cash.
As a result, they’re in a safe position,
but they’ve only made 10% on their money.
Now let’s compare that with the equity investor, the person who bought the stock in the company.
That person earned a dollar a share in year five versus an investment of a dollar a share,
so he is earning over 100% or about 100% return on his investment versus only 10% for the lender.
So who got the better deal? Well obviously the equity investor.
Now why did the equity investor, why do they have the right to earn so much more than the lender?
The answer is they took more risk.
If the business failed the lender is entitled to the first $250 of value that comes from liquidating the company,
so if you sell off the lemonade stands and you only get $250,
the lender gets back all their money.
They got their 10% return while the business was going .
They got back their $250,
but the equity investor, the person who bought the stock is wiped out
because they come after the lender.
11:09 debt and equity: risk and reward
So what is the difference between debt and equity?
Debt tends to be a safer investment because you have a senior claim on the assets of a company
and it comes in lots of different forms.
You’ve heard of mortgage debt on a home.
That’s a secured loan secured by a house,
but you could have mortgage debt on a building for a company.
There is senior debt. There is junior debt. There is mezzanine debt. There is convertible debt,
but the bottom line, it’s all debt.
It comes in different orders of priority in a company
and the rate your charge is inversely related to your security,
so the better the security and the less risk the lower the interest rate you’re entitled to receive.
The more junior the loan the higher the interest rate you’re entitled to receive,
but you can avoid the complexity.
All you need to think about is debt comes first.
It’s a safer loan, but your profit opportunity is limited.
Now the equity also has their varying forms.
There is something called preferred equity or preferred stock.
There is common equity or common stock
and again stock and equity are basically synonyms.
There are options, but really not worth talking about today.
The important point is that equity gets everything that is left over after the debt is paid off,
so it’s called a residual claim.
Now the good thing about the residual claim is that business grows in value.
If you don’t owe your lender anymore, but all that value goes to the stock holder.
So the question is why was the lender willing to take only a 10% return
when the equity earned a much higher rate of return？
The answer is when the business started there was no way of knowing whether it would be successful or not
and the lender made a bet that if the business failed they could sell off the lemonade stand.
It cost $300 to make it.
They would have some lemons, some lemonade.
Even if they sold it at a much lower price than the dollar they originally projected
the lender felt pretty comfortable that they would get their money back,
whereas the stockholder is really taking a risk.
They were betting on the profitability of the company and they were taking a risk that if it failed they would lose their entire investment,
so they were entitled to get a higher return
or have the potential to have a higher return in the event the business we successful.
13:05 Assessing risk
So let’s talk about risk.
you know a lot of people talk about risk in the stock market as the risk of stock prices moving up and down every day.
We don’t think that’s the risk that you should be focused on.
The risk you should be focused on is if you invest in a business, what are the chances that you’re going to lose your money,
that there is going to be a permanent loss.
When you’re thinking about investing your own money, when you’re thinking about one investment versus another
don’t worry so much about whether the price moves up and down a lot in the short term.
What matters is ultimately when you get your money back will you earn a return on your investment.
How do you think about risk?
Well, one way to think about risk is to compare your risk to other alternatives,
So you could buy government bonds
and government bonds are considered today the lowest risk form of investment
and the US Treasury issues 10 year, 3 year, 5 year debt.
There is a stated interest rate and today a 10 year Treasury you earn about a 3% return.
So you give your government $1,000 and you get $30 a year in interest.
At the end of 10 years you get your $1,000 back,
so that’s very, very safe and that sort of provides a floor.
Now obviously if you’re going to make a loan you can lend money to the government and earn 3%.
Well, if you can lend money to a lemonade stand you want to earn meaningfully more,
so in this case the lender is charging a 10% rate of interest.
Because they want to earn a nice fat spread over what they can make lending to the government
because a startup lemonade stand business is a higher risk business.
Equity investors sort of think about things similarly,
so the higher the valuation—the more risky the business the higher the rate of return the equity investor is going to expect
and the lower the risk business, the lower the return the equity investor is going to expect
and equity investors don’t get interest the same way a lender does.
What equity investors get is they get the potential to received dividends over the life of a company.
14:53 profiting as an entrepreneur
Let’s talk about raising capital.
You started this lemonade business.
Now the point of this was to make money in the first place.
The business is doing very well
yet I, having started the business, coming up with a name and the concept, hired all the people,
I've made nothing, right?
So the business has grown in value, but where is my money?
I need money to buy a car, for example, so I want to buy a car for $4,000.
What are my choices? What can I do?
Well we’ve taken all the cash the business has generated.
We’ve reinvested it in the business.
Now the good news is we’ve taken all that money.
We’ve been able to use it to buy more lemonade stands and these lemonade stands are more and more productive
and it’s grown the value of the business faster and faster.
Now my alternatives could include instead of growing the business so quickly, instead of investing in more lemonade stands
I could simply have paid dividends to myself.
Now the good news about that is I get money along the way, but the bad news about that is the business wouldn’t grow as quickly
and if you have a business as profitable as this lemonade stand company
and you can earn hundreds of dollars in each new stand,
it makes sense to keep investing.
Well, how do I keep my business going and growing, taking advantage of the opportunities,
but take some money off the table?
How do I do that?
I could sell my lemonade stand business.
I started this one in New York.
Maybe there is someone in New Jersey who wants to buy me, consolidate with my lemonade stand company.
The problem with that is once I sell it I can no longer participate in the opportunity going forward
and I believe in this business.
I think it’s going to be very successful over time.
So that’s one alternative.
The other alternative is other than selling 100% of the business is to sell a piece of the business and I can do that privately.
I can find an investor who wants to buy a private interest in the company
and if the business is worth enough I can sell them a piece of the business and we can be successful.
The other alternative is I can take the business public.
An IPO, the abbreviation stands for initial public offering
and it’s initial because it’s the first time a company is going public.
Going public means you’re selling stock to the broad general public
as opposed to finding one investor buying interest in the company
and it’s offering because you’re offering people the opportunity to participate
What is interesting is an IPO doesn’t make someone rich.
All it really does is it takes a business that they already own and it sells a piece of it to the public and it gets listed on an exchange
When you decide you want to take your business into public
You’re gonna have to reveal a lot of information to the public in order to attract investors to participate
and the Securities and Exchange Commission , they’re gonna study this prospectus very carefully.
They’re going to make sure that you disclose all the various risks associated with investing in the company
and you’re also going to have an opportunity to talk about the business.
That is kind of an exciting time for you because when you sell shares to the public
that’s really, in most cases, the way to get the optimally high price for the company,
but you don’t have to sell 100% of the business to the public.
In fact, typically you only sell a small percentage.
You get to keep the rest.
You get to keep control of the company, but you get to raise money in the offering and
you can use that money to buy the car that we were talking about before.
17:37 Valuation: determining a company’s worth
Now before you decided to go public or even to sell it at all
it’s probably a good idea to figure out what the business is worth.
So let’s talk about valuation or how to value a business.
17:51 Comparing companies to determine value
One way to think about the value of your business is to compare it to other similar businesses.
Now the stock market is actually a pretty interesting place to look.
The stock market is a list of companies that have sold shares to the public
and you can look in the New York Times or the Wall Street Journal
or online, on Yahoo Finance or Google or other sites
and look at stock prices for Coke, for MacDonald’s and what those stock prices tell you is what the value of the company is.
And how do you figure out the value of the company?
Well you look at where the stock price is.
You count how many shares are outstanding.
The shares outstanding will be listed in various filings with the SEC.
You multiply the shares outstanding times the stock price.
That tells you the price you’re paying for the equity of the company,
so if you go back to our example of our little lemonade stand we have 1,500 shares of stock outstanding.
We sold them for a dollar initially, one-third of them to an investor
and the business initially had a value of $1,500.
So what is the business worth today?
Well one way to look at it; let’s look at other lemonade stand companies.
Let’s assume other lemonade stand companies have sold either in the private market,
or the public market for a price of 10 times earnings or 10 times profit,
so that will give you a sense of value.
So let’s assume another lemonade stand company is trading at 20 times earnings in the stock market.
Well we earned a dollar per share in year five.
If we put a 20 multiple on that dollar,
the business is worth, according to the comparable, about $20 per share.
We’ve got 1,500 shares outstanding.
We multiply 1,500 times 20.
Now our business is worth $30,000.
So we had a company that started out at 1,500, five years later it’s worth $30,000.
That’s actually quite good.
Well, how do we raise $4,000 if that’s the appropriate value for our business?
Well if we sold 200 of our shares, 200 of our shares that are today now worth $20 a share
we could raise the $4,000 that we are talking about.
Now what would that do? What would happen if we sold 200 of our shares in the market?
Well our interest in the business would go down because today we own 66 or 2/3 of the company.
A third is owned by our private investors.
Well if we sold stock in the market, if we sold 200 of the shares that we would own,
our ownership would go from 67% to 53%,
so the good news there is we’d still have control of the business
because in most public companies owning a majority allows you to control the business going forward,
but because the company is now owned by public shareholders
you have to make sure their interests are properly represented,
so you have to have a board of directors, a group of individuals who represent the interests of the shareholders
who have a duty to make sure that their shareholders are treated properly
and you wouldn’t have the same degree of flexibility you had when you were a private company
because you have other constituencies that you need to think about.
Now the benefit of the IPO is the stock would now be liquid.
There would be a market where it would trade in the public markets
and then over time if I wanted to sell more stock I could do so or
if new investors wanted to come in they could buy stock and our stock would now be liquid.
It would make you feel better about this business
in terms of my ability to at some point exit
or if I wanted to raise more money I could sell stock fairly easily in the market
because each day you could look up the price either on the web or in the New York Times or otherwise
and you could figure out what your business is worth.
21:03 So what did we learn about finance
Okay, now how does this matter to you?
Now the purpose of the example of our lemonade stand is just going to give you a primer on what companies are, what they do, how they earn profits,
what the various reports they provide to investors so investors can figure out what they’re worth
and the purpose of this lecture is to give you a sense of some of the things you need to think about when you’re thinking about investing perhaps some of your own money
whether you want to invest in a lemonade stand or you want to invest in a company on the market.
Well let’s assume at 22 you have a pretty good job.
Instead of spending your money on gadgets or a fancy apartment or not so fancy apartment
or going out and drinking a fair amount,
you put some money aside and you start investing money.
Let’s say you could save $10,000 at 22
and you can earn a 10% return on that money between now and the time you retire.
What would you have in 43 years?
The answer is, if you put aside $10,000, you don’t save another penny
and you invested it, and you earned 10% of your money each year
you’d have $600,000 in year 43 and the reason for that is
well in year 1 your $10,000 will become 11,000,
in year 2 your $11,000 would grow by 10%
and so you would be earning interest not just on your original principle,
but you’d earn interest on the interest you had earned the previous year
and that compounding effect allows money to grow in an almost exponential fashion.
Now obviously if you earn more than 10% you can earn even higher returns.
Now that’s if you put $10,000 aside at 22,
you’d have $600,000 in 43 years.
That’s pretty good.
What if you had to wait until you were 32 when you earn the same 10% per annum?
The problem there is by year 33 you’d only have $232,000.
Maybe that is not enough to retire.
So, the key thing here is, if you’re going to be an investor
one of the most valuable assets you have today
as someone who is 18 or 19 years-old is your youth.
You want to start early so that your money can grow over time.
22:59 The key to investing: start early
Now what if you could earn 15%?
I'll give a you better sense of how powerful compounding is
because remember at 10% for 43 years you’d have $600,000.
That’s pretty good,
but if you earned 15% you’d have over 4 million.
Now you’re in a pretty good position
and so obviously making smart decisions about where you put your money
has a huge difference in what you’re retirement assets are.
Now obviously if you could put aside more than $10,000,
if you could put aside $10,000 each year then your wealth would be quite enormous.
Now just for fun if you were one of the world’s great investors,
Warren Buffet being a good example,
if you could earn 20% per year for 43 years you’d have 25 million dollars.
Again the original $10,000 investment would increase about 2,500 times
over that period of time just by earning a 20% return.
Albert Einstein said the most powerful force in the universe is compound interest,
so the key is start early, earn an attractive return and avoid losing money
and you’re going to have a very nice retirement.
24:02 the importance of not losing investment money
Okay, now let’s talk about the risk of losing money.
Now let’s assume that in order to try to get a 20% return you took a lot of risk
and it turns out that every 12 years you lost half your money
because you hit a bad patch in the market or you made dumb decisions.
Well your 25 million dollars at 20%
would now only be worth a million eight in 43 years,
so a key success factor here is not just shooting for the fences, trying to get the highest return.
It’s avoiding significant loses over the period.
Okay, so as Warren Buffet says rule number one in investing is never lose money
and rule number two is never forget rule number one,
so if you can avoid loses and earn an attractive return over time
you’re going to have a lot of money if you can stick at it for a long period of time.
24:56 Keys to successful investing
So how do you be a successful investor?
Now I'm assuming that you’re not going to go into the business of investing.
I'm assuming that you’re going to be a doctor or a lawyer.
You’re going to pursue your passion, but you’re going to have some money that you’re going to save over time
and I'm going to give you my advice on the topic.
It’s not necessarily definitive advice,
but it’s the advice I would give my sister, my grandmother on what she should do if she were in the same position.
I think that’s probably the right way to think about it.
So number one, how do you avoid losing money?
What are the good places to invest?
My first piece of advice is despite the story about the lemonade stand I’d avoid investing in lemonade stands.
I’d avoid investing in startup businesses where the prospects are not very well known
because again you don’t need to make 100% a year to have a fortune.
You just need to invest at an attractive return 10, 15 percent over a long period of time.
Your money grows very significantly.
So how do you avoid the riskiest investments?
My advice would be to invest in public securities,
invest in listed companies, companies that trade on the stock market.
Why, because those businesses tend to be more established.
They have to meet certain hurdles before they go public.
The stocks are liquid, so you can change your mind if you want to sell.
If you invest in a private lemonade stand
it’s hard to find someone to take you out of that investment unless that business becomes fabulously profitable.
So that’s piece of advice number one, invest in public companies.
Number two, you want to invest in businesses that you can understand.
What I mean by that is there are lots of businesses that you come in that you deal with in the course of your day in your personal life,
whether it’s a retail store that you know because you like shopping there or it’s a product, your iPad that you think is a great product,
but you have to understand how the company makes money.
If the business is just too complicated, you don’t understand how they make money,
even if they’ve had a great track record I would avoid it
and a lot of people thought Enron was an incredible business
because it appeared to have a good track record, but very few people understood how they made money.
It was good to avoid it.
Another very important criterion is you want to invest at a reasonable price.
It could be a fabulous business that is done very well over a long period of time,
but if you pay too much for it you’re not going to earn a very good return investing in that company.
The last bit is that you want to invest in a business that you could theoretically own forever.
If the stock market were to close for 10 years you wouldn’t be unhappy.
What do I mean by that?
Again if you’re going to compound your money at a 10 or 15 percent return over a 43 year period of time
you really want a business that you can own forever.
You don’t want to constantly have to be shifting from one business to the next.
And what are businesses that you can own forever?
Well there are very few that sort of meet that standard.
Maybe a good example is Coca Cola.
What is good about Coca Cola?
It’s a relatively easy business to understand.
You understand how Coke makes money.
They sell a formula or syrup to bottlers and to retail establishments
and they make a profit every time they serve a Coca Cola.
People drank a lot of Coca Cola for a very long period of time.
The world’s population is growing.
They sell it in almost every country in the world and each year people drink a little bit more Coca Cola,
so it’s a pretty easy business to understand
and it’s also a business that I think is unlikely to be competed away as a result of technology or some other new product.
It’s been around long enough.
People have grown used to the taste.
Parents give it to their children and you can expect it will be around a long period of time.
I think that’s one good example.
Another good example might be MacDonald’s.
You may not love MacDonald’s hamburgers, but it’s a business that it has been around for 50 years.
You understand how they make money.
They open up these little—build these little boxes.
They rent them to the franchisees.
They charge them royalties in exchange for the name
and they sell hamburgers and French fries
and you know what people have to eat.
It’s relatively low cost food.
The quality is pretty good and they continue to grow every year.
So I think the consistent message here is try to find a business that you can understand
that’s not particularly complicated, that has a successful long term track record
that makes an attractive profit and can grow over time
What are the key things to look for in a business as I say that lasts forever?
Well you want a business that sells a product or a service that people need and that is somewhat unique
and they have a loyalty to this particular brand or product and that people are willing to pay a premium for that.
Another good example might be a candy business.
While people are going to buy generic versions of many kind of food products, flour, sugar, they don’t need to have the branded product.
When it comes to candy, people don’t tend to like the Walmart version or the Kmart version.
They want the Hershey chocolate bar or the Cadbury chocolate bar or the See’s Candy.
They want the brand and they’re willing to pay a premium for that
and so that’s I think a key thing.
You want the product to be unique.
You don’t want it to be a commodity that everyone else can sell
because when you sell a commodity anyone can sell it
and they can sell it at a better price and it’s very hard to make a profit doing that.
If you’re investing for the long term you want to invest in businesses that have very little debt.
In our little example before we talked about our lemonade stand.
There is $250 worth of debt.
That didn’t put too much pressure on the lemonade stand company,
but if it had been $1,000 and we hit a rough patch
the business could have gone out of business for failure to pay its debts.
The shareholders could have been wiped out.
So if you can find a company that can earn attractive profits, that doesn’t have a lot of debt
or they generate vastly more profits than they need to pay the interest on their debt
that is a safe place to put your money over a long period of time.
You want businesses that have what people call barriers to entry.
You want a business where it’s hard for someone tomorrow to set up a new company to compete with you and put you out of business.
I mean going back to the Coca Cola example.
Coca Cola has such a strong market presence.
People have come to expect when they go to a restaurant they can ask for a Coke and get a Coke.
It’s very hard for someone else to break in.
Of course there is Pepsi and there are other soda brands, but Pepsi has been around a long time and
Coca Cola and Pepsi have continued to exist side by side over long periods of time.
So when you’re thinking about choosing a company make sure that they sell a product or a service
that is hard for someone else to make a better one that you’ll switch to tomorrow.
You also want businesses that are not particularly sensitive to outside factors,
so-called extrinsic factors that you can’t control.
So if a business will be affected dramatically
if the price of a particular commodity goes up or if interest rates move up and down or if currency prices change.
You want a company that is fairly immune to what is going on in the world
and I'll use my Coca Cola example.
I mean if you think about Coca Cola it’s a product that has been around probably 120 years.
Over that period of time there have been multiple world wars, development of nuclear weapons, all kinds of unfortunate events and tragedies and so on and so forth,
but each year the company pretty much makes a little bit more money than they made before
and they’re going to be around and you can be confident based on the history that this is a business that is going to be around
almost regardless of whether interest rates are at 14%, whether the US dollar is not worth very much or the price of gold is up or down.
Those are the kind of companies you want to invest in, in the long term,
businesses that are extremely immune to the events that are going on in the world.
Another criteria, if you think back to our lemonade stand company,
as we grew we had to buy more and more lemonade stands.
Now those lemonade stands only cost $300 each,
but imagine a business where every time you grew you had to build a new factory to produce more and more product
and those factories were really expensive.
Well that company might generate a lot of cash from the business, but in order to grow
you’re going to have to just reinvest more and more cash into the business.
The best businesses are the ones where they don’t require a lot of capital to be reinvested in the company.
They generate lots of cash that you can use to pay dividends to your shareholders
or you can invest in new high-return, attractive projects.
I guess the last point I would make is that if you’re going to invest in public companies
it’s probably safest to invest in businesses that are not controlled.
A controlled company is kind of like our lemonade stand business that we took public.
The problem with a controlled company,
unless the controlling shareholder is someone you completely trust,
unless there is someone that has a great track record for taking care of so-called minority investors, the non-controlling shareholders
it can be a risk of proposition to invest in that business because you’re at the whim of the controlling shareholder and
even if the controlling shareholder today is someone that you feel comfortable with 即使你认为当前控股股东的做法是可以接受的
there is no assurance that in the future they might sell control
to someone else who is not going to be as supportive of the shareholders of the business.
So it’s not that you just—you can simply have a profitable business and a business that has done well.
You have to make sure that the management and the people that control the business think about you as an owner and are going to protect your interests.
So these are some of the key criteria to think about.
33:28 when to invest
Now when are you ready to start investing money?
My guess is you’re a student.
You probably have student loans.
Perhaps you even have some credit card debt.
You’re going to graduate.
You’re going to get a job.
So you don’t want to jump right in and while you have a lot of debt outstanding start investing in the stock market.
The stock market is a place to invest when you’ve got a good—
you have money you can put away that you won’t need for 5 years, maybe 10 years.
So if you’re paying relatively high interest rates on your credit cards
you definitely want to pay off your credit cards first before you think about investing in the stock market.
Your student loans are probably lower cost than your credit cards,
but again here my best advice would be - if your student loans are costing you six or seven percent
well if you pay them off it’s as if you earned a guaranteed six or seven percent return
and you’re just better off getting rid of your credit card debt and even your student loan debt
before you commit a lot of material amount of money to the stock market.
even once you’ve paid off your credit card debts, perhaps you paid down your student loans,
you want to have enough money in the bank
so that even if you were to lose your job tomorrow
you’ve got a good 6 months, maybe even 12 months of money set aside.
34:39 The psychology of investing
So let’s talk a little bit about the psychology of investing,
So we’ve talked about some of the technical factors.
How to think about what a business is worth.
You want to buy a business at a reasonable price.
You want to buy a business that is going to exist forever,
that has barriers to entry, where it’s going to be difficult for people to compete with you,
but all those things are important,
and a lot of investors follow those principles.
The problem is that when they put them into practice
and there is a panic in the world and the stock market is heading down every day
and they’re watching the value of their IRA or their investment account decline
the natural tendency is sort of to do the opposite of what makes sense.
To be a successful investor you have to be able to avoid some natural human tendencies to follow the herd.
When the stock market is going down every day you’re natural tendency is to want to sell.
When the stock market is actually going up every day your natural tendency is to want to buy,
so in bubbles you probably should be a seller.
In busts you should probably be a buyer
and you have to have that kind of a discipline.
You have to have a stomach to withstand the volatility of the stock markets.
35:44 How to withstand market voltility
The key way to have a stomach to withstand the volatility of the stock market is to be secure yourself.
You’ve got to feel comfortable that you’ve got enough money in the bank
that you don’t need what you have invested unless—for many years.
That’s a key factor.
Number two, you have to recognize that the stock market in the short term is what we call a voting machine.
It really represents the whims of people in the short term.
Stock prices are affected by many things, by events going on in the world that really have nothing to do with the value of certain companies that you’re investing in,
so you’ve got to just accept the fact
that what you own can go down meaningfully in value after you buy it.
That doesn’t necessarily mean you’ve made an investment mistake.
It’s just the nature of the volatility of the stock market.
How do you get comfortable?
Well the way you get comfortable with the volatility is you do a lot of the work yourself.
You don’t just buy a stock because you like the name of the company.
You do your own research. You get a good understanding of the business.
You make sure it’s a business that you understand.
You make sure the price you’re paying is reasonable relative to the earnings of the company
36:40 Other ways to invest
Let’s say this is just not for you.
I don’t want to invest, buy individual stocks.
It just seems too risky.
I don’t have the time to do my own research.
What are your alternatives?
Well you alternatives are to outsource your investing to others.
You can hire a money manager or you can hire a group of money managers
and there are a couple of different alternatives for a startup investor.
37:05 Mutual Funds
The most common alternative is mutual fund companies.
So what is a mutual fund?
A mutual fund is I guess technically it’s a corporation, but where you buy stock in this corporation
and the manager selects a portfolio of stocks.
So what they do is they pool together capital, money from a large group of investors.
So say they raise a billion dollars and they take that money and they invest in a diversified collection of securities.
Now the benefit of this approach is that with a tiny amount of money, even less than $1,000
you can buy into a diversified portfolio managed by a professional manager
who is compensated to do a good job for you investing in the market.
So mutual funds are a good potential area for investment.
The problem is there are probably 7, 8,000, maybe 10,000 different mutual funds and some are fantastic and some are not particularly good,
so you need to do research to find a good mutual fund manager in the same way that you need to find individual stocks,
so it’s not just the easy thing of just invest in mutual funds.
38:04 How to pick a good mutual fund
so here are a few key success factors in identifying a mutual fund or a money manager of any kind to select.
Number one, you want someone who has an investment strategy that makes sense to you;
you understand what they do and how they do it.
They’re not appealing to your insecurity
by using complicated words and expressions that you don’t understand.
If they can’t explain to you in two minutes what they do and how they do it and why it makes sense
then it’s a strategy you shouldn’t invest in.
Number two and this is not necessarily in this order.
This probably should be number one, is you want someone with a reputation for integrity.
Again if you’re starting out
you probably want to invest in some of—a mutual fund that is sponsored by some of the larger mutual fund complexes
as opposed to a tiny little mutual fund that is privately—by a mutual fund company that you’ve never heard of.
There is some benefit in the larger institutions that have—you can be more confident that they’re not going to steal your money.
You want someone, an approach where the investor invests money on the basis of value.
Now this sounds kind of obvious, but value investing has a very long term track record
and there are other kinds of investing including technical investing where people are betting on stocks based on price movements,
but I highly recommend against those kind of approaches.
So you want someone making investments
where they’re buying companies based on their belief that the prospects of the business will be good
and that the price paid relative to what the business is worth represents a significant discount.
You want to invest with someone that a long term track record
and I would say 5 years is the absolute minimum
and ideally you want someone who has 10, 15, 20 years of experience investing in the markets
because there is a lot that you can learn being a long term investor in the market.
You want someone who has a consistent approach, where they haven’t changed what they do materially year by year,
that they have a stated strategy that they’ve kept to thick and thin
that has enabled them to earn an attractive return over their lifetime as an investor
and I always say in some way most importantly
you want someone who is investing the substantial majority of their own money alongside yours.
You want someone whose interests are aligned with yours.
If it’s a mutual fund you want them to have a lot of money in their own mutual fund.
If it’s a hedge fund, which is a privately sold fund for investors who have higher net worth,
you want a manager who is investing alongside you as well.
40:29 Finance in our lives
We started with a little lemonade stand company
and the purpose of that was to give you some of the basics on how to think about a business,
where the profits comes from, what revenues are, what expenses are, what a balance sheet is, what an income statement is,
how to think about what a business is worth, how to think about what the difference between what a good business is versus a bad business,
how debt offered is generally lower risk, but lower return,
how equity investors or investors who buy the stock or the ownership of a business
have the potential to earn more or lose more
We use that as the background—just as the basics to get some of the vocabulary to think about investing
and we talked about investing in the stock market.
We talked about ways to think about how to select investments, how to deal with some of the psychological issues of investing.
We covered a fair amount of ground in a relatively short period of time.
41:21 Not quite everything you need to know about finance and investing
Now I entitled the lecture Everything You Need to Know about Finance and Investing in Less Than an Hour.
Well it really isn’t everything you need to know.
It’s really just an introduction and hopefully I didn’t mislead you, induce you to watch this for an hour,
but there is a lot more that can be learned and there are wonderful books that can teach you on the topic,
so I think what is interesting about investing whether you choose this as a fulltime career or not
if you’re going to be successful in your career you’re going to make some money
and how you invest that money is going to make a big difference in the quality of life that you have
and perhaps that your children have or the kind of house you’re able to buy
or the retirement that you’re going to be able to enjoy
and we talked about the difference between a 10% return and a 15% and a 20% return over a very long lifetime
and what impact that has in terms of how much wealth you create over the period,
so investing is going to be important to you whether you like it or not and
learning more about investing is going to have a big impact on your quality of life
if money is something that you need in order to meet some of your goals.
42:28 Investing in your future
I got interested-when I was probably 22 or 23, I started interested in being an investor大约在22、23岁时，我开始对成为一名投资者产生了兴趣
and I read a book called the Intelligent Investor was written by Ben Graham
and Ben Graham is a famous value investor.
And it’s kind of reading Jean-Paul Sartre’s Essays in Existentialism
You read it and it's either is an epiphany and it affects the way you live your life or it's of no interest to you
and this was the equivalent
but in investing I found it fascinating
and what I like about investing
is it’s something very accessible even to someone who's 22 or 23
What's kept me intrigued is that one of the - it's one of the few jobs where every day you can study something new,
you're constantly learning about new businesses, new situations, new management teams, new issues,
so it's infinitely challenging
and the world stock market are obviously very dynamic places so the challenges continue
These same concepts while they're useful in deciding how to invest your portfolio,
they're also very useful to you in thinking about decisions like buying a home, making decisions in you line of work, whether to hire additional people.
You know this these kinds of calculations and thought processes are helpful and they're helpful in life
and I recommend that you learn more
Thank you for paying attention and I wish you well